Q&A with Mark McTavish of CiderFest LA

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Cider is not my area of expertise other than I know what I like. So when I had a chance to e-mail a few questions to Mark McTavish of Half Pint Ciders and the force behind L.A. Cider Fest that I will be attending next month, (Get your tickets HERE) I quickly fired off a few questions to him. Now I and by extension, you, can learn more about apples.

1. What is the difference between American, English and French ciders? Or are they essentially the same?

American cider is all over the map! It’s sad to see all of the sugar bombs that still dominate the shelves in the US, especially considering that America has one of the richest cider traditions in the world. Our fore fathers have likely been rolling over in their graves for the last few decades, Americans have more or less ruined the name of “cider” – thanks to macrobeer brands like Anheuser-Busch and Miller Coors. The last decade has been promising, as many real cider makers have emerged. Farm based growers have been using proper cider apples to produce dry and complex ciders that would rival any of their European counterparts. The greatest contribution that the US has made is of course the establishment of “craft cider”. Leave it to us Americans to innovate, experiment, and create a whole new world of cider.

Now let’s consider European ciders from Spain, England, and France. These cider making traditions are different from one another in many respects, they do share one important trait – these traditional old world ciders are typically fermented with naturally occurring yeast that can be found on the fruit itself, on the milling and pressing equipment, and inside the fermentation vessels. This type of fermentation, referred to as wild or spontaneous fermentation, results in a markedly different flavor profile than cider made with yeasts that have been cultured in a laboratory.

For craft beer drinkers, Spanish ciders made in Asturias and the Basque country are a likely favorite. Sour beer lovers in particular will find much to like in these racy, acidic libations. Traditional “sidra natural” is packaged in a 700ml green bottle with a visible layer of sediment resting at the bottom. Unwary drinkers often try sidra natural and immediately turn up their noses. But when poured correctly—from as far above the glass as you dare and just a mouthful or two at a time—the vinegar vanishes and a refreshing cider emerges. Typical alcohol content is six to eight percent alcohol by volume.

To satisfy a sweet tooth that craves some complexity, look to the French – specifically ciders made in Normandy and Brittany. Most cider makers in France use a technique called keeving that arrests the fermentation process before the yeast can convert all the natural sugars to alcohol. These sparkling ciders are packaged in strong glass bottles topped with a cork and cage. Ciders labeled as brut are the driest, but will almost always be sweeter than dry ciders from other cider making regions. French ciders labeled as demi-sec or doux will be sweeter still. Typical alcohol content is three to five percent alcohol by volume.

For some dryness and more austerity, venture into the world of English ciders. As with French ciders, most English ciders use tannic apple varieties known as bittersweets and bittersharps that contribute a pleasant astringency and bitterness to the finished cider. The dominant aroma and flavor notes are often spice, smoke or, in some cases, barnyard. The mouthfeel will be similar to that of red wine and many bottled English ciders are still, but modest carbonation is also common. Since English ciders are fermented more fully than French ciders, the typical alcohol content will be higher, sitting somewhere between seven and nine percent alcohol by volume.

2. How do you feel about ciders with hops in them?

Hopped ciders have been a popular style as of late, and rightfully so. I particularly like the citrus and floral character from such hops as Citra and Amarillo, they are a wonderful compliment to the tart acidity of a natural dry cider. What I find most appealing about hopped ciders is that they are dry hopped (as opposed to brewed with heat), pulling out only the beautiful aromatics and none of the heavy hitting bitter oils. If you want to love IPA but find it too bitter, try a hopped cider!

3. What is the # 1 piece of knowledge about ciders that people should have?

Cider is not just a beverage, it is a beverage category. No different than beer, or wine. Most assume that all ciders are sweet and bubbly, low grade apple soda with alcohol. This could not be further from the truth. Real cider is dry and often still, far different from the industrial ciders made by macrobeer brands here in the US. Let’s also consider beer, which is made in just weeks and at any time of the year. Cider is actually wine by definition…..apple wine to be exact. It takes several months to ferment and age a quality cider, and is typically made just once each year at harvest time.

4. What is the cider maker equivalent of Anchor or Sierra Nevada?

Hard to label any of the current American craft cider brands as the equivalent to highly successful craft beer brands like Anchor or Sierra Nevada, we have yet to identify a cider industry leader that could rival a game changer like Ken Grossman. The craft cider boom has really only been happening for the last 5 years or so, on a national scale anyway. The growth is absolutely mind blowing, and happening at a much faster rate than craft beer ever experienced. It is inevitable that visionaries and leaders will emerge, I have a few in mind that I respect for their contributions to the craft cider industry…….Nat West @ Reverend Nat’s, James Kohn & Nick Gunn @ Wandering Aengus, Kristen Jordan @ Sea Cider, and a large group of incredible California cider brands who are making an impact now. West coast is leading the charge!

Review – IPC from 101 Cider House

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My jury is still out on hopped ciders.  I haven’t (yet) run across one that has melded the right hop to the right apple.  But as with Black IPA’s, I am still trying to find the perfect one.

The latest comes from 101 Cider House here in Los Angeles.

Here is the website description of their IPC, “A blend of american cider apples, and fragrant west coast quince. This cider is the product of a wild fermentation, without the addition of sulfites or other preservative methods. After several months of natural malolactic activity, this dry cider is then twice hopped. The primary hopping (a blend of Amarillo, Cascade, Nelson, and Simcoe hops) adds a rich earthy texture, followed by a secondary hopping of 100% Citra hops. Tart, fragrant, naturally sparkling, and explosive with citrus notes.”

The aroma is really vegetal.  A little too off-putting for my nose. There is a sourness vying for attention with the grassy notes of the hops or maybe that is the Nelson contributing too much wine/grape.  The cider pours a very, very light yellow.  Nearer to hazy white.  The taste is tart but not really bitter to my hop addled palate. Almost too sparkly too.  Bit of an assault on the tongue.  The apple is too dull and the hops just aren’t pulling this together.  Thumbs down on the IPC but I will try the regular ciders in their rotation.

LA Cider Fest

Coming in September is a fest for the cider fans that are out there in L.A.

LA Cider Fest will focus on cider with beer and mead on the agenda as well on September 19th.

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Though I wish there was less beer on the agenda (and the names are a bit hoky), I do appreciate the organization of the ciders by style into different tasting pavilions.  I would suggest doing the cider only areas first then move on to mixes with mead as a last stop.

Review – Rhubarbian from 2 Towns Ciderhouse

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You are at Beer Search Party and yes, you are reading a cider review on this blog.  On my recent trip to Portland, I picked up this Rhubarb cider because when are you going to get a chance to taste this combo?  Maybe in a pie but in an alcoholic drink.

This Corvallis based cidery does plenty of fruity ciders but the combination promised on the can: “Tangy, wild, and not for the faint of heart, the Rhubarbarian is a fearsome hard cider made with fresh-pressed NW rhubarb” made me pick up a can.

The aroma doesn’t scream rhubarb to me.  More like a combination of cider and white wine.  The taste is both pretty smooth with an initial hit of tartness.  The apple taste seems most prominent to me though the rhubarb is a nice undercurrent throughout the drinking.  You do have to pay attention to get that rhubarb though which leads me to wanting a bigger hit of that and less of the apple.  They also do a version with hops by the name of Hop & Stalk which I wish I had seen to compare.

Now I want rhubarb pie!

Review – Anthem Dry Hopped cider

I do like cider but rarely do I get it. I usually see so many beers that I want that the apples get shunted off to the side for another day. But when I saw a cider that was dry hopped with Cascades, well I picked it up.

Anthem ciders are crafted at the Wandering Aengus Ciderworks in Oregon. This one was an extremely light yellow and very bubbly. It wasn’t sour but it was stomach gurgly inducing acidic. The aroma was a battle of apple farm and that signature Cascade hop. A bit muddled to me. The taste grew on me even though it was much brighter tasting when cold. Again, though I got quite a bit of fight between these two distinct flavors. They didn’t seem to quite flow together. And though it did catch my eye and get me to pick up a cider, it did not win me over in the end. But it sure is a pretty beverage to look at.

LA Beer Week – Final Report (and grade)

Entering the final weekend of LA Beer Week, I was excited to see how the closing festival turned out in it’s new location at Union Station. Very well indeed. Crap, I jumped the gun on my own post.

But first, I drove over to Eagle Rock Brewing on Saturday to try the LA Week beer. The aforementioned, Unity LA’s Team Beer. An imperialized California common. As well as the new lemongrass wit. They have been busy at ERB! (And I haven’t even talked about their coffee beer Stimulus)

Of the two, the Lemongrass was the winner. Distinct and vibrant notes of lemongrass that didn’t cloy on the palate. Why it doesn’t have a fancy name like the rest of the beers I don’t know. But it was delicious.

The Unity was solid and well made but not a style that I would normally go back to repeatedly. I think I just prefer the regular old fashioned common / steam beer. Amping up this style doesn’t add anything for me.

On to the FINALE!

I arrived early to volunteer and got to haul ice and do some general helpful things before getting my assignment for the four hour festival. I and Oregon Beer Festival veteran Richard would be manning the Wyder and Woodchuck cider booth.

Luckily that put us right in between Brian and Nibble Bit Tabby and Jeremy and Co. from Eagle Rock. And Craftsman was right across from us. Thankfully cider is easier to pour. Less finicky than beer. So we could watch the crowd ebb and flow and see everyone come to see Jeremy’s GABF medal.

It was a blast to be a part of something that put so many smiles onto people’s faces.

So now that the 2010 edition is in the books, I will be giving out two grades. One for the week+ of events and one for the Union Station festival.

EVENTS GRADE – B-
Why? – Plenty of events all over the LA. Diversity of events.
Why not higher? – Need more events in the mid-price range ($20.00-$30.00)

I always found something to go to. And if I didn’t have something new or spectacular, I did get to re-visit some places that I hadn’t seen in a bit. That is such a plus.

Here are my recommendation for improving on this years edition.
1. The ability to tag and get updates on those events that most interest you. This would have helped me considerably. I mentally jotted down what I wanted to attend and then didn’t really look to closely after that. If there was an e-mail update that told me that the Oinkster event was about to put tickets on sale for an event that I didn’t know required tickets, I might have made that event. Same for the Hot Knives and Cheese at the Verdugo. Information was on the calendar very fast but it changed too and it is becoming daily work to keep on top of things.

2. Official “HOME of LA Beer Week” banners for establishments holding events during the week. Who knows how many people may have wandered into a bar or brewery if they could easily see such a sign. (More on signs later)

3. Keep pressing for more press. KPCC was at the Float Showdown. Los Angeles magazine did a blurb. More is needed and will come if the momentum is tended to.

FESTIVAL GRADE – B+
Why? – Good amount of breweries. Wide ranging beer selection. Was not cramped. Great location.
Why not higher? – Needed more signage and toilets. Needed to display the Unity beer more prominently.

First off, I want to congratulate all of the people who dedicated alot of personal time and energy to put this on. These events are hard to put on. Logistically and stylistically. Then factor in that this was the first attempt at this venue and you add more hurdles. Anybody who starts complaining or whining without spending time congratulating and high fiving people first, is an idiot.

Now down to brass tacks. AKA, my personal recommendations for improvement.

Pre-Event
1. I could not for the life of me find the list of breweries. Maybe it was there and I missed it. Either way, it was not easily accessible.

2. Push the mass transit. Link up to the rail and bus time tables.

3. Have the LA beer bloggers start banging the drums about what they are itching to drink.

During the event
1. We need the mayor or a sports personality to tap the first keg and it needs to be the official LA Beer for the week. And that beer needs to be front and center and visible to all walking in. Even if it is in limited supply.

2. Signs. In the Union Station space, a map truly isn’t required. I could walk around in 5 minutes with a festival going on. But signs would be nice. A sign for the Spero Foundation booth. A sign for the water. Where to go for the food trucks? If that is too costly or time consuming, posting 5 or 6 volunteers around the festival with “Ask Me” pins or shirts would work wonders.

3. I don’t know what the breakdown of new to craft beer vs. old hands has been for the festival but we need an education booth or breakout session. Where we can distribute information about all of the great places to go here in LA. I know a map is in the works but even a simple sheet just names, address, hours of operation and website might bring more people after the festival.

Post-Festival
1. Pre-assigned breakdown teams. Before the event, put people into specific groups for cleaning. One group starts by kindly getting our guests out of the area. Another group does empty bottles. Another group moves kegs. Another strikes tables. Each group should have a leader. There is a great group of volunteers willing to help that could use more forceful direction.