RateBeer is now Fully Bud

Looks like the takeover of RateBeer is now complete.  SABInBev now fully owns the rating website.  Technically ZX Ventures owns them but co-founder Joe Tucker is not in charge any more.  Tucker is now in a “community” ambassador role.

And while it may be true that users are up overall, how those new users came to join is probably more due to advertising budget from the parent company.

Which is fine.  Spin this as a positive or “road bump” or write them off completely for making this deal.  Either way, beer ratings sourced from the masses are never going to be the same force that they were in the early days.  I don’t know of people that use the site (or their new-ish app) when making buying decisions.  I certainly don’t.  I don’t expect people to make those type of choices based on my reviews. 

I haven’t used the site since the partial sale because that is the line that I have drawn in the sand but from what I remember, it didn’t have the fun, game aspect that Untappd has unless their app is completely changed. 

I believe that at some point, if RateBeer doesn’t make money or doesn’t draw a minimum amount of eyeballs to the site that it will be slowly shut down.  Remember the “Beer Necessities”?  The ratings may get shunted into another website (possibly October or a new version).

It has been offered up that the data was the draw for the deal but what is ABInBev gonna do with data on thousands of beers that they won’t make themselves?  Perhaps the High End might use the information?  But I would guess that the breweries themselves already know most of the trending information already.  My RateBeer data is now way out of date and probably of little use at all, I know that.

I think this full sale marks a time where we can look forward and dream of what may be the next big thing.  Is there a game-changing new app on the horizon? 

X Rated

Now that the dust (comments and counter comments, you’re wrong, I’m right) has started to settle on the latest craft beer imbroglio involving RateBeer and the ABInBev ZX Ventures division there are two things that I want to talk about. One briefly and one a bit longer.

First is that RateBeer lost a chunk of credibility and will now be viewed with more jaded eyes (at least) and with outright scorn from others in the future. I certainly hope they learned a lesson from the Wicked Weed Funk Fest debacle when it comes to their RateBeer Fest.

But what chaps my hide more than selling a stake is that they hid it, from multiple groups of people for close to 8 months and would probably have just let it ride even longer if not outed. Also, it would have been a gesture to allow users to opt out from having their beer drinking history in the grubby hands of ABInBev. Thank goodness, I haven’t rated any beers in the last couple of years. Though they probably would be OK with my review of the Golden Road Hefe. Bottom line, if you are hiding where you are getting your money from, you need to take stock of your choice of financier.

A second point came to me after reading Bryan Roth’s piece about data and the future of beer. (Read it HERE)

I kept reading the article and I see that ZX Futures seems to be infiltrating craft beer across the board, from grain to glass. But nowhere to be found was an explanation or theory as to what The King of Beers marketing was actually going to do with these companies or the data they glean from them.

A good example is ZX having a share in one beer website, October and the “high end” running a website, called the Beer Necessities. The latter is tactical marketing. Cloaking oneself in the company of craft beer. The former, is what? Beer Education maybe. But Budweiser can’t put a dollar figure on that. And they certainly aren’t going to pull a nationwide best selling beer out of the comments section.

ZX seems intent on gathering data but how will that help the mothership? What spreadsheet from PicoBrew or Northern Brewer or RateBeer will tell them what beer to brew and when? They might see a style trend coming and then going but they are not going to brew the next hazy IPA themselves and I doubt that they will be able to wrangle their 10 former craft breweries through layers of vice-presidents and managers into hopping onto a bandwagon early enough.

For the life span of craft beer, the industrial corn pop lagers have not once had the realization that perhaps they should make a full line-up of beers to suit the needs of all Americans. They have engineered beer to fit into a factory and a distribution chain and to be the same. The consumer has told SABInBev what they want but the consumer was ignored. The consumer drank beer that voyaged for months to the U.S. from Europe or homebrewed what they wanted for themselves just to get something/anything different. That need does not fit onto a self-driving 18 Wheeler.

“The more we know about our consumers and products, the better chance we have of anticipating their needs in the future.” Per Roth’s blog post, that is the goal of ZX Ventures. But what happens when the needs and what SABInBev can/want to provide are poles apart? Personally, I think they will succeed short term with their other goal of being a disruptive growth group. Creating havoc in beer world and splitting people into pro or con RateBeer, or just splitting people into smaller camps. I have already opined that I believe that is a long term bad idea because the comment section kerfuffles are like sunlight on their nefarious plots.

Now that I think about it, it is even more sad that RateBeer sold even a little of itself. Not only does that sale create a rift between the community it had created, but the data that will come out of it hasn’t been used in the past and I doubt it will be ever.

The only funny thing, so far, is how Noble Ale Works chose to distance themselves. They typed over their brewery name, beer names and descriptions with nonsense and song lyrics. A new form of redaction.

BeerPic

I don’t use a lot of beer apps. Untappd is my go-to 90% of the time. I have test driven a few but they either don’t add much more or are too glitchy. I also don’t trust the wisdom of crowds. (See Yelp as a prime example) But there are times when I am stuck choosing between beers and it would be helpful to see further information.
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The BeerPic app though has something going for it, they are using the vast data storehouse of the RateBeer website. That is a major plus. The other plus is that you can add to the app like you can do in Untappd. That is essential when there are so many one off and special beers out there. The downside is that the app wants to be used primarily with a smart phone camera which partially negates the tap only beers out there. You scan a beer bottle or can and let the image recognition software ID the label and presto you get the RateBeer info plus further data like color, flavor, and beers that are similar.

Maybe later I will test the label recognition of BeerPic vs. NextGlass/Untappd and see who gets me better information faster. In the meantime though,I would like to see are bottled on/ canned on information added to these apps or at least a freshness window. Cellaring info and preferred glassware choice would be nice too.
The BeerPic app is currently available for free in the iTunes store; an Android version is in the works.

Growing Ratings

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How is this for hard data? The Ratebeer website database now includes over 16,000 breweries with 2,600 added in 2013 alone.

They also have 300,000 users.  (Some of which obviously are inactive, others hyperactive) There are over 5.2 million user-submitted beer reviews. AND as of February 2014, reached its 250,000th beer in their list of beers. (again some inactive or seasonal).

How fast will it take to double that?

Top 10 – Ugh, another lopsided Best of List

This interweb piece by Jim Galligan made the rounds earlier this month. But I just recently stumbled upon it and had to add my comments about what I see from this side by side comparison of Top10 lists.

Of these three lists, the Beer Advocate one is by far the most balanced. The list that I held out the most hope for being an even distribution of styles turned out to be the least. The Brewer’s Association list (though filled with fine beers that I would not turn down and will probably buy in abundance in the future) is basically IPA. The RateBeer list is way too stout heavy but that is to be expected from what I have encountered when using that site. (Which I still do)

What I simply don’t understand and will probably rant about until the day I die is why there is such a limiting choice of styles. Craft beer came about due to the overdominance of the lager and pilsner. It was about pushing style boundaries and resurrecting ancient beer styles. Using and creating new hops and ingredients and brewing techniques. Now to be considered great, you simply have to be a stout or an IPA. Or be Westvleteren.

I am not suggesting that each top 10 list include one beer from each style. If 10 IPA’s are the best, then so be it. I guess I am worried and saddened that the beer world is being reduced again. History repeating itself until we become so oversaturated with IPA’s and 15% stouts that there is no choice but to return to Kolsch, cream ales and English Milds.

I recently had the good fortune to try Black Tuesday from The Bruery this month and it was tremendous as I am sure every beer on the list is that I haven’t been able to sample. I guess I am still waiting for a Top10 list that reflects a wider spectrum without sacrificing quality because I know it is out there.

1,000 – part 4

I have now rated 1,000+ beers on RateBeer. and so I have been looking at the figures to see what I have been drinking.

Last week I covered which cities make the best beer according to what I have rated. This week I take a step up and look at the states that are doing it right and which ones I have been sipping. As with last week, this is based on the RateBeer information.

Of the 1,000, 388 are from California and 157 from Oregon. So well over 1/2 of my ratings are from 2 states. That is something I hope to remedy. The 50 Beers from 50 States challenge helped but didn’t close the gap. Predictably Colorado was 3rd and Washington state was 4th.

Here is the average rating breakdown:
California – 3.20
Colorado – 3.10
Massachussets – 2.92
New York – 3.34
Oregon – 3.17
Pennsylvania – 3.18
Washington – 3.06

1,000 – part 3

I have now rated 1,000+ beers on RateBeer. and so I have been uncovering golden nuggets of statistical information about what I have been drinking.

Last week I covered my top beer in each style. Today, we delve into which cities make the best beer according to what I have rated. This means a city needs to have a minimum of 10 ratings and more than one brewery. As with last week, this is based on the RateBeer information.

City – Average Rating
Ashland, Oregon – 3.11
Bend, Oregon – 3.18
Boston, Mass. – 2.89
Boulder, Colorado – 3.03
Copenhagen, Denmark – 3.31
Denver, Colorado – 3.22
Eugene, Oregon – 3.20
Fort Collins, Colorado – 3.17
Hood River, Oregon – 3.06
Los Angeles, California – 3.25
Portland, Oregon – 3.18
San Diego, California – 3.19 (not inlcuding Stone or Port)
San Francisco, California – 3.12
Seattle, Washington – 2.98

1,000 – part 2

I have now rated 1,000+ beers on RateBeer. and so I have been falling down the rabbit hole into some real statistical geekery.

Last week I covered the top and bottom 10 this week I give you my top beer in each style. These are the top beer in each style that I have had at least 10 different beers to judge against. So Zwickel will have to wait until I sample 8 more.

New Belgium Lips of Faith – Fall Wild Ale-Abbey Dubbel
Sawyers Triple-Abbey Tripel
The Bruery Loakal Red-Amber Ale
Drakes Alpha Session Ale-American Pale Ale
Hair of the Dog Matt-American Strong Ale
The Bruery Provisions Series: Old Richland-Barley Wine
The Bruery Humulus Blonde-Belgian Ale
Brooklyn Cuvee de Cardoz-Belgian Strong Ale
Brùton Bianca-Belgian White (Witbier)
Widmer Brothers W’10 Pitch Black IPA-Black IPA
Rogue John John Hazelnut Ale –Brown Ale
Magic Hat #9-Fruit Beer
Firestone Walker Hefeweizen-German Hefeweizen
New Belgium Hoptober Golden Ale-Golden Ale/Blond Ale
The Bruery Humulus Cornballer-Imperial Pils/Strong Pale Lager
The Bruery Chocolate Rain-Imperial Stout
Kern River Citra DIPA-Imperial/Double IPA
BrewDog Punk IPA (5.6%)-IPA
Angel City Che-Pale Lager
Great Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald Porter-Porter
Rubicon ESB-Premium Bitter/ESB
Sierra Nevada Summerfest-Premium Lager
Pelican Saison du Pelican-Saison
Ommegang Cup o Kyndness-Scotch Ale
The Bruery Melange #1-Sour Ale/Wild Ale
Upright Six (#6)-Specialty Grain
Hair of the Dog Greg-Spice/Herb/Vegetable
Youngs Double Chocolate Stout-Stout
Hair of the Dog Cherry Adam from the Wood-Traditional Ale
Speakeasy White Lightning American Wheat Beer-Wheat Ale

What pops out at me is how many Bruery and Hair of the Dog beers there are on this list. When I think of favorite breweries those two don’t immediately come to mind. And yet, here they are in a wide variety of styles.

Also the style that I have reviewed the most? IPA’s by a large margin with 107. Not including 60 DIPA’s or 15 Black IPA’s.

1,000 – part 1

I have now rated 1,000+ beers on RateBeer. and it is time to break down into some real statistical geekery.

Over the last few weeks, I have been parsing the data to look for interesting trends or factoids from my craft beer drinking. Not just the usual top 10 / bottom 10 (though that’s here too).

So let’s dig into the numbers……
First, my average score was 3.14 out of a possible 5.00. Which to me is good because it means I am not being too generous or too stingy with my scores. It also signifies that I am not drinking crappy beer.

And speaking of, here are the bottom 10 finishers….
Tecate 1.80
Ukiah Willits Wit 1.80
Eagle Rock Sriracha 1.80
Liefman 1.70
McMenamins Jalapeño Wheat 1.60
Miller High Life 1.50
The Bruery Provisions Series: Salt of the Earth 1.50
Game Day Ice 1.40
Coors Light 1.40
Budweiser 1.20

The usual suspects are here so I will skip flogging that vortex bottle but there are a couple surprises. First off, I hate peppers and scovill heat so the Sriracha and Jalapeno are only here because of that, not due to anything else. The Liefman is there due to exceeding amounts of sugar which may are may not have been part of the plan. The huge shock to some (who haven’t tried it) is the Bruery being in the bottom. Well, the beer tasted like salad dressing and smelt worse. And the worse sin was it took a lovely style that I adore and made it undrinkable.

Kern River Citra DIPA 4.40
The Bruery Chocolate Rain 4.30
Magic Hat #9 4.30
The Bruery Melange #1 4.30
Ballast Point Victory at Sea 4.20
BrewDog Punk IPA (5.6%) 4.10
Hair of the Dog Cherry Adam from the Wood 4.10
The Bruery Loakal Red 4.10
Hair of the Dog Matt 4.10
Russian River Sanctification 4.10

I don’t think there is too much to argue with here. Magic Hat is probably rated too high (1.24 higher than the average Ratebeer score) but both times I have had it on a hot summer day and it has delivered. The Punk IPA is probably a skosh over as well but still within a 1/2 point from the average.

More 1000 ratings data coming up on future posts.